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posted on 5-25-2004 at 10:00 AM
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Previous song
Why on earth isn't there a previous button in eJ?  When i first saw
eJ, i assumed it was because it wanted to imitate a jukebox, and it made sense. But now i quite miss the function, especially after having used iTunes
for a brief period. eJ beats iTunes in all vital areas, but the reverse button seems very logical to have. How about having the previous button
enabled as default, and a function for disabling it in the options?
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 10:12 AM
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Oh yes! I wholeheartly support this. Having to rightclick to have access to previous played tunes isn't the smoothest sollution I have seen.
Personally I would prefer to have a previous button where the visualization button is now, and rather have the visualization in the rightclick menu.
Unless there is room for both.
An additional argument for this is that it's a little too easy to click the visualization by accident. Probably especially common at parties
I have not done any research at this 
But I find it quite plausible that the majority of the musiclistening population significantly use the "previous button" more often than the
visualisation button. As a consequence of this the "previous song function" should be made more available than it currently is?
If one still want to make the visualization support in ejukebox more visuable, one could put it another place in the gui. Like beside the edv toggle
button or simular.
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 10:23 AM
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Great Scott! So there is a right-click previous button? I wouldn't have known that unless this button presented itself, and then slowly altered
my mind through a series of severe shock treatmeants over a long period of time.
I support your suggestion wholeheartedly. Don't use the visualisation function much at all either, and when i do, it's mainly by mistake.
I'd rather have the vis button in the tools menu or similar, a bit less accessible, at least 
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 10:26 AM
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lol.. I choose to see this star Trek inspired statement like a joke and assume that you know that there is a "previous" and
"subsequent" function in the rightclick menu
Audiosoft: Do you think it could be an idea to replace the vis button with a previous button and add the visualisation button in the right corner
somewhere. Together with the edv toggle or "go to fullscreen" button maybe?
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 11:07 AM
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I'd rather not have the fullscreen menu, nor the visualisation menu in the right corner at all... the reason it that the kids at the club keep
clicking this all the time... the bottom bar resizing/expand mode has often caused a ton of problems, and i wish i could disable it without having to
resort to the Kiosk mode. As well as the fullscreen button, this one belongs in the tools menu, in my opinion.
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 02:06 PM
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I don't know if one should hide everything away just because kids have a tendency to click everywhere... Just make it more difficult to click and
access things by accident and I am happy
An alternative would be to add more options to kiosk mode so one could make it "fool proof".. But I don't think that hiding away useful
features like fullscreen and vis totally by default is a good idea.
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 03:01 PM
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Hehe... i think i am hiding behinded those darned kids again, because minimizing eJ horizontally happens all the time to me, since the sensitive bar
close to the taskbar, it's just begging to be clicked by mistake every now and then. I can behave in front of the other two buttons, but
it's the bottom drag/expand-bar that gets to me.
Besides; Fishy, i remember you running eJ for a good three months or so before realizing that you could resize eJ horizontally with the bottom bar; so
it is something about that bottom bar that's not so self-evident.
And by the way, i've never noticed the subsequent and previous buttons before, so thanks for the tip! And i guess that kind of makes us slightly even. ;D
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 06:29 PM
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I suppose you mean vertical resizing? Yeah thanks for pointing that one out for me. Probably I wouldn't know of it as we speak if you hadn't
told me back then
Nevertheless we have some interesting points for consideration now.
1) The "previous song function" should be made more explicit. Namely a button in the now playing panel rather then the quite invisible
rightclick function.
2) The minimize vertical bar is to easy to click by accident and the resize function in the same bar should be made more explicit. Maybe a dobbelclick
instead of singelclick to minimize vertically is an idea? And the mousepointer could change to indicate the resize function after a few seconds?
More unsure on how elegant this latter sollution would be though.. It would break with the singelclick logic as ej tend to follow...
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 08:10 PM
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2) The minimize vertical bar is to easy to click by accident and the resize function in the same bar should be made more explicit. Maybe a dobbelclick
instead of singelclick to minimize vertically is an idea? And the mousepointer could change to indicate the resize function after a few seconds?
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Thanks all for reminding us about this problem. We have been meaning to change this for sometime now since it was easy to
accidentally contract the panel with a single Click. In v3.83 it will display the resize mousepoint right when you put the mouse on the bottom resize
bar. And it will display a tooltip which says: "Drag to Resize or Double Click to Expand/Contract".
Also, we are still trying to figure out where we are gonna add the << button...
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 08:26 PM
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Really good news!
Thanks for taking this seriously and responding so fast
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 08:28 PM
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That will be a good improvement! That appear so logical...
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 08:38 PM
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Maybe you could apply the "double click" to the right bar as well? and so revive it some time...
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 10:53 PM
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Audiosoft, i believe the logical (for me, at least), to place the previous button in front of the play/pause button, and remove the visualisation
button to the tools menu. That way it would not occupy any more space, and besides, it would place the vis button in a more logical context.
When you think about it, the visualisation button really doesn't belong in this panel, for several reasons. For one, it's an external
function, and you have no real definition on what kind of plugin is configured via Winamp, it could be everything from a plain standard asv window to
a badly configured/installed full-screen, spyware-ridden CPU-eating plugin would leave the user horrified the first time he tried out eJ. Not to
mention every time a friend tries out "what does this button do", or even every time he clicks the button by mistake, because it is so close
to the options window. Could be quite annoying.
Ok, this is a worst-case scenario, i agree, but is it something about having a button so in the midst of the normal play/pause/options functions which
executes an plugin from an external program... i would put this function away from the usual panel buttons and somewhere where it requires a bit more
intention from the user to select it.
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posted on 5-25-2004 at 11:19 PM
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Junk, i wouldn't to lose the nice small galaxy of your skin!
I joke... i support your request for a previous button in front of the play button. You are right, that would be handy to make a basic function like
that more accessible.
And also i don't use anymore the Winamp visualisations now all the great eJukebox features take up the front scene... So too bad for the galaxy!
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posted on 5-26-2004 at 12:45 AM
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Would hate to hide the Visualization icon away in the Tools menu...as people may never discover visualization is possible - especially if they never
used winamp before eJukebox. BTW we had already updated it for v3.83 so that if you right click the visualization icon it opens the Winamp Plugin
Selector so you can pick the plugin you want without having to find winamp first.
How about if we make it so if you right click the >> button it goes back instead of forward.
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posted on 5-26-2004 at 02:34 AM
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What about having the vis icon beside the fullscreen-cross in the right corner? Then it still would be visable for users and grouped together with
another function (fullscreen view) which is more related to it, compared with its current "relatives" in the play controls.
Also this would reduce the probability to activate visualization by accident and make room for another button in the play controls. Where one, for
instance, may add a previous button instead
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posted on 5-26-2004 at 08:33 AM
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Audiosoft, yes, after reconsideration i agree that it would be shame if it became hidden in the tools menu. Also happy you add a selection of plugins
to the vis button. Yet i think that having a right-click option on the forward button is a bit less intuitive than having it visible from day one...
I'd like to have both buttons, and the vis button available as well, but not between the main panel buttons.
And Fishy, yes, the fullscreen mode and the visualisation mode are quite related in terms of action. Having it besides the fullscreen button
wouldn't be too bad.
The only problem with this would be that you could not easily access the visualisation button when eJ is running in retracted mode (or whatever it is
called - unexpanded, collapsed, slightly minimized) ... hmm. If only the now
playing panel was bigger, this whole problem could solved....
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posted on 9-18-2004 at 10:39 PM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Audiosoft
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How about <> instead of >>
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posted on 9-19-2004 at 01:02 PM
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Agreed. I think audiosoft will redesign the playcontrols all together for v 4.0, so I bet a 'previous song button' will get added then..
You might have interest of this thread:
http://www.audiosoft.net/forums/viewthread.php?tid=975
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